Mendacity. You know what that is. It’s lies and liars.

***Soapbox alert***

This pisses me off. For those of you that don’t want to go to the link the headline from the NYT is:

Kennedy Barred From Communion by Bishop

and the low-down:

Widening a growing rift, Rep. Patrick J. Kennedy, a Rhode Island Democrat, said on Sunday that the Roman Catholic bishop of Providence had instructed him to refrain from receiving communion because of the congressman’s stance on abortion.

and in a letter to Kennedy the Bishop said…

“In light of the Church’s clear teaching, and your consistent actions,” the letter said, “I believe it is inappropriate for you to be receiving Holy Communion and I now ask respectfully that you refrain from doing so.”

Normally I’d probably just say meh- whatever. The dude can be Catholic if he wants, and the Catholic church can have whatever rules it wants. But I’m kinda sick of people parroting the line about how Catholics get to ‘exercise their conscience’ and all. According to the good Bishop Tobin-  the Catholic church doesn’t think of it’s particular set of rules as a smorgasbord, and they don’t seem to think much of Catholics exercising their consciences. You Catholics don’t get to choose which rules you like and which rules you don’t. And that isn’t my take on it. Its the Bishop’s.

But I’m only getting started- the real outrage is here:

The allegation by Rep. Kennedy, a Democrat in his eighth term, is the most recent escalation in a bitter and unusually personal dispute between the men that began after the lawmaker criticized the nation’s Catholic bishops for threatening to oppose an overhaul of the health care system unless it tightened restrictions on publicly financed abortion. (emphasis is mine)

Uh huh. 45-49 million Americans without health insurance, people turned down for coverage because they once had a hangnail, the costliest health care system in the world WITHOUT everyone covered, … want me to continue?…And the nation’s Catholic Bishops oppose health care reform?

Perhaps there are a few older white guys in robes that should leave Patrick Kennedy alone and deal with their own consciences.

Yes, I’m quite finished.

P.s. I know my title sucks, I was uninspired.

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14 thoughts on “Mendacity. You know what that is. It’s lies and liars.

  1. Fuck these motherfucking jesus freak church assholes. They are a pack of nasty vicious hateful scumbags, starting with that pope motherfucker and all the way down to the local parish greaseballs fondling choirboys’ nutsacks. If there is a hell, they are the ones who will burn in its hottest fires.

  2. What happened to the progressive catholic priests of the 60’s and 70’s…protesting the War in Viet Nam? I have drifted away from the church, in part due to their drifting towards shitbag conservative viewpoints. But..maybe the brief spot of progressiveness was the odd bit…considering the history of the church. It is really shitty.

  3. This is hardly surprising given that the Catholic church is rife with hypocrisy and outdated, misogynistic, homophobic mandates. What’s next? Banning everyone who uses condoms? How about banning all of the divorced Catholics and/or those that have committed adultery? Actually, that sounds like a good idea because there wouldn’t be anyone left.

  4. PiT- Yes, I’d love to see them come out and say they are banning everyone who uses birth control.

    Antipodean- Kinda like all those altar boys made up all that stuff about being sexually abused by priests… for years and years and years? But, I suppose anything is possible.

  5. “…And the nation’s Catholic Bishops oppose health care reform?”

    They oppose the use of public funds for abortions, and I don’t think that’s such an unfair position.

    I actually have less of a problem with that than the fact that the RCC (and a fair few other religious denominations) doesn’t seem to understand that one can be pro-choice in the legal sense, and pro-life in the moral sense, which is the position of pro-choice Catholics that I know. Clearly, Catholics serve in the military where they are routinely called upon to perform acts that will harm other people including children.

    As it is, the health care overhaul is an absolute monstrosity. Any attempts to reign in the insurance industry after this turkey gets rammed through will be fruitless. It doesn’t matter if you’re for single payer or Ron Paul economics, these proposals are off the wall.

  6. It may have been poor form. That doesn’t seem like the appropriate way to express political dissent. But, isn’t this just one individual’s opinion? Abortions are a pretty central political issue for the Catholic church. You might disagree with this bishop, but how can you fault him for voicing himself? In this case, he’s being consistent. In this instance he just doesn’t want to abortion funding lumped into health-care. I can’t blame him for that. I’m sure most of us around here feel the same about military spending. I sure wish my tax money didn’t get spent on bombs for Iraq and Afghanistan. This all just seems like part of the dialogue to me.

    Jekyll/Hyde: Good point. You’re probably right in this case. But to be fair, the catholic church has historically been pretty vocal about abolishing capital punishment.

  7. Actually, He is not being consistent at all. They think abortion is murder. You murder people in war. They aren’t denying communion to soldiers who kill or politicians who vote pro war.

  8. Helloooo? People you are missing the issue here. Flagrant interference in the political process. Threats of excommunication against a sitting politician enacting the will of his constituents? This is theocracy behavior. Screw that.

    Of course we can’t violate the free exercise of religion but we don’t have to give them tax breaks. Let’s end this special treatment of religious organizations acting like any other political group. They should come under all of the appropriate lobbying and electioning rules…

  9. Silly gooses… men aren’t allowed to stand up for sluts. “VIRGIN” MARY, hello! Patrick is being tsk tsk’d to back away from siding with women and children, who are the dick’s temptation and impending doom of men.

  10. Bike- Yes, I don’t think I articulated it very well.

    Flagrant interference in the political process.

    That about sums it up, and it is one of the reasons I get SO worked up when people say this is just my private belief system bla bla bla… without thinking that they support a religious political machine that influences us all.

  11. pinus:
    “Actually, He is not being consistent at all. They think abortion is murder. You murder people in war. They aren’t denying communion to soldiers who kill or politicians who vote pro war.”

    Actually, if I remember my Catholic schooling well enough, they do hold that death caused in a war is (or can be?) murder too. Pope J. P. II considered both an aspect of the “culture of death” he observed in the western world. But you’re right, this particular bishop seems to single out abortion legislators. But then again, we all have our favorite topics.

    bikemonkey:
    “Helloooo? People you are missing the issue here. Flagrant interference in the political process. Threats of excommunication against a sitting politician enacting the will of his constituents? This is theocracy behavior. Screw that.”

    There is nothing theocratic about a priest telling a politician that certain legislation is in opposition to the religion. Denying eucharist is not a threat of excommunication in itself, and even if it were that’s still not “theocratic behavior.” That’s just religious behavior. They’re free to exclude whomever they want for whatever reason they want. Come on. Priests are allowed an opinions too. As you point out, they just can’t preach from the pulpit of a tax exempt church… which brings us to your last statement:

    “Of course we can’t violate the free exercise of religion but we don’t have to give them tax breaks. Let’s end this special treatment of religious organizations acting like any other political group. They should come under all of the appropriate lobbying and electioning rules…”

    Well, they are under all the lobbying rules. They are allowed to preach, they aren’t allowed to lobby. Excluding a legislator from a religious ceremony isn’t lobbying. With that said, the exchange of letters regarding legislation probably could be considered lobbying, but I’m not a lawyer. On the face of it though, I agree with you. While I don’t think his actions constitute political fund raising, I agree that he’s no different from any other constituent and should be taxed at the same rate and treated the same as any other interest group… exept I’d rather see the rest of us fall under their tax exempt status, not the other way around.

  12. Dr Dr A

    I’m certainly no fan of the HMC. They are historically and currently mega shit bags.

    I’m merely wondering whether Kennedy is being a weasel again to get out of having to explain to conservative bible banging americans why he hasn’t been seen in church often enough recently.

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